Hi, I'd support Lonie's comments about the importance of a live CD. Of course we picked up Genode and did the whole build, but the first exploration we did was the live CD. I know of people in other companies who abandoned Genode because of the apparent difficulty of use.
You need express pizazz!! Daniel
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Lonnie Cumberland < lonnie@...218...> wrote:
Hi Norman,
Thanks for the quick reply and for the link to the LiveCD discussion.
I can see that once there is a LiveCD out to show the new feature like Virtualbox then that will definitely promote more popularity as most people like to see things in action before diving into the code. I have found that people like this a lot as it gives them a chance to imagine how the LiveCD features and aspects could possibly fit into their own projects and goals.
I looked at the live system link that you provided and am eagerly looking forward to seeing that system in operation.
If I also might make a suggestion that I think would help, then I would like to suggest that you also publish a "howto" on building the LiveCD (live system once it is ready) from the sources in a step-by-step approach as most folks that are interested in something new first want to see a LiveCD and then most of them are interested in being able to very easily replicate the building of the LiveCD, for example, as a first step towards their own systems and/or enhancements.
I have noticed that if folks cannot get through these steps easily then their interest seems to waver to other projects that they can demonstrate this, and I think that the reason is because the first steps are exploratory for them which gives them a indication as to how difficult a system might be to work with.
Even if the code easily compiles from sources, but there is no LiveCD (live system to explore) then the general inference is that "it" is to hard to work with and people tend to move on.
Just my opinion, but if Genode wants to become a general OS then the psychological aspects will definitely come into play as a major factor in the growth and popularity of a system.
As for mysef, I look forward to seeing the Live System when it is ready.
Kind Regards and have a great day, Lonnie
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Norman Feske < norman.feske@...1...> wrote:
Thanks Lonnie for your feedback!
This is wonderful news about the latest Genode 14.02 with all of these great improvements.
I saw the sources out at sourceforge, but was also wondering if there was a livecd or democd available so that I could explore some of these new things before having to go through the build process?
there is no live CD unfortunately. Most parts of the release are not end-user-facing features but rather geared towards developers who build systems with Genode. The best way to explore them is to try out the various new run scripts cited in the release documentation, and to start tinkering. :-)
Regarding the live system, there exists a topic at our issue tracker:
https://github.com/genodelabs/genode/issues/1000
We are actively working on the various outstanding issues brought up in the discussion but are hesitant to release a live system to a wider audience with the remaining open points unresolved.
Best regards Norman
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