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using tool/dde_linux/ scripts for usb_net driver
by Pirmin Duss 30 Jan '24

30 Jan '24

Hello Genodians While upgrading to Genode 23.11 I noticed, that the new usb_net_drv no longer supports the smsc95xx which is in our IoT gateway. The source file for this was used by the old driver but isn't in the sources.list of the new driver. I started by adding the missing source file. After fixing a missing include path I have a number of unresolved symbols. To use tool/dde_linux/create_dummies some variables need to be set - TARGET -> drivers/usb_net - DUMMY_FILE -> /tmp/generated_dummies.c - ARCH -> x86_64 - BUILD_DIR -> build/x86_64 - LINUX_KERNEL_DIR -> build/x86_64/pc_linux/x86_64 This generates a file that contains the missing functions and variables. If I change the following: - ARCH -> arm_v8a - BUILD_DIR -> build/arm_v8a - LINUX_KERNEL_DIR -> build/arm_v8a/imx_linux/arm_v8a The generated file only contains the header. Is it save to copy the functions generated in the x86_64 run in to the generated_dummies.c for the arm_64 spec? Regards, Pirmin

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Getting screen coordinate of a window
by Michael Grunditz 28 Jan '24

28 Jan '24

Hello! Can I get screen coordinates of a window? I would like to be able to caputure absolute mouse events and convert them to the window coordinate system. I don't want to have relative mouse movement like I see in many examples. In my context it doesn't work very well. BTW the handle_relative_motion never seems to return anything. Is there a configuration that I need? Would be terific if I could by some function get window internal coordinates, but handle_relative_motion might not be something for that? I also want to know if there are routines better suited than memcpy for ploting large buffers? I have noticed that if I put something in a loop without a little delay the system crawls. Is the Gui not preemptive? As little as 10ns is enough. I plot 640x480x4. It acts a bit strange. Each second a frame takes less than 1/60 seconds. There are 3 frames that runs slower and back to quick. I have nano sleep that is based on that timing. /Michael

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Roadmap 2024
by Norman Feske 19 Jan '24

19 Jan '24

Hello everyone, in his most recent posting, Credric already noted that now is the time of year again to reflect on our achievements of this year and to anticipate topics to pursue next year. To keep up with this fine tradition, let me kick off our road-map discussion with my personal perspective. Reflections of 2023 As indicated by the overarching theme of the last roadmap "Rocking the platforms we support!", Genode's four releases of 2023 had a strong focus on low-level platform work. This has been especially visible on modern PC platforms like the Gen12 Framework laptop I have under my fingertips right now. At the beginning of 2023, Sculpt OS was in principle working on this machine, but with compromises that spoiled the user experience: fan noise, an erratic touchpad (using the firmware's PS/2 emulation), Fn key having no effect, strange issues when re-plugging an external display, and no indication of the battery state. In the meantime, not only are all these rough edges gone, but we even gained the ability to exercise precise control over the machine' performance/frequency/temperature/power characteristics using an interactive GUI. I think it's fair so say that Genode advanced far beyond the state of "working" and has entered the territory of "rocking". I wish to name four further personal highlights of the year: First, we got the mobile version of Sculpt OS into the hands of a pilot group of users who provided instructive feedback to us. From my perspective, the system-update mechanism that I created for this purpose turned out to be an almost pivotal point in the evolution of Sculpt OS because it reduces the effort and risk of test-driving experimental versions to almost zero. It was a pleasure to see how e.g., Johannes leveraged this new way of gathering feedback for his IOMMU line of work. Providing system images for testing has become a second nature. Second, the road map for 2023 envisioned Sculpt OS running on our custom base-hw kernel on the PC. We identified DMA protection and virtualization support as the two remaining showstoppers. With much excitement, I followed how both of these deeply technical topics got covered over the course of the year. Third, Goa finally emerged from a personal project of mine to an official Genode project led by Johannes. I'm stunned how much the project benefited from this change. All of the remaining backlog of my vague plans - I'm thinking of the index-project support or bash completion - got eventually realized in a way true to the spirit of the project. The fate of the Goa tool makes me immensely happy. Fourth, during the first half of the year, I found myself intensively working on Genode's new debug-monitor component, pursuing the idea to implement a debugging instrument as a specialized version of init augmented with the GDB protocol. This engagement was pretty much motivated by a customer. The result of my initial work then seamlessly transitioned into the hands of Christian Prochaska who did a marvelous job with steadily advancing this line of work towards our joint vision of on-target debugging on Sculpt OS. The technical feats notwithstanding, I found the frictionless way of collaborating a pure joy. Besides the highlights above, one topic close to my heart was the creation of the dialog API that I designed as necessity to make the code of Sculpt's administrative user interface maintainable and easy to extend in the longer run. Plans for 2024 After concentrating so intensively on topics below the surface, I now long for reaping user-visible rewards. Speaking of the dialog API just mentioned, I see potential in using this new infrastructure for Genode-native applications and immediately think of the file manager that I already wanted to tackle this year. But I also have plenty of ideas to make Sculpt OS more user friendly. What about presenting the README files of software packages directly in the GUI? Making the component graph scrollable? Allowing the user to select an arbitrary directory as a file system to a component? Buttons for saving the current deployment or the settings? Beyond Sculpt's administrative user interface, I'd also like to attend the GUI stack. I think of refining the GUI-session interface to remove tearing artifacts, to better support desktop-UI-paradigms like drag'n'drop, and to explore the opportunity of using nitpicker's mechanisms at the application-level, not only at the window-composition level. Hence, I'd condense my ambition for the next year to "Sculpt OS usability". Device-wise, I'm going to continue my engagement with the PinePhone and look forward to the upcoming MNT PocketReform laptop. Above I presented my personal view. How about your's? I would very much appreciate you sharing your feedback, ideas, concerns, and plans regarding Genode. How are your interests aligned with the perspective shared above? Do you see specific pain points that deserve the attention of Genode's core developer team? What is your perspective on Genode's past year's accomplishments? Can you share your ambitions or even concrete plans? How and where would you like to see Genode at the end of 2024? Cheers Norman -- Dr.-Ing. Norman Feske Genode Labs https://www.genode-labs.com · https://genode.org Genode Labs GmbH · Amtsgericht Dresden · HRB 28424 · Sitz Dresden Geschäftsführer: Dr.-Ing. Norman Feske, Christian Helmuth

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Re: Random Thoughts / Questions (inspired by Roadmap discussion)
by ttcoder＠netcourrier.com 19 Jan '24

19 Jan '24

Hi John, > Cedric, your HoG screenshot looks great! Please keep us informed - I > hope your TuneTracker transition goes smoothly! I might get in touch off-list to take you up on your "beta testing" offer (from a while back!), my current tester has network-card issues and it might be good to broaden the test base, try out different hardware with different Nic adapters. > Depot Package Discoverability: > Several people have mentioned that it is difficult to discover which > Sculpt depot packages are available, and from where. > > I am going to try to put a temporary solution in place for this, until > someone develops something better. No promises on timing, but I want to > bring the badly neglected "Genode Corner" [1] up to date, then add a > front-end for listing / searching Depot packages. > > This will probably take the form of a daily process to pull in the depot > indexes, add a search page, and maybe an RSS feed system. If anyone has > any implementation advice or feature requests, please let me know. > > [1] https://www.alternateapproach.com/computing/genode/genode_corner/ Well if it was my project (or if I was part of the implementing team ^^) I'd probably try to write the back-end script in V, as I suspect it would really fly for that kind of job : downloading/parsing an XML file and generating server-side data. The trouble is, I'm not sure how it would interact with the front-end, since it's a compiled langage (and I have extremly limited front-end experience). Cedric

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Map ram for framebuffer
by Michael Grunditz 18 Jan '24

18 Jan '24

Hi I would like to mmu map a piece of ram and make that a framebuffer dataspace. Is this possible? Thanks, Michael

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Random Thoughts / Questions (inspired by Roadmap discussion)
by John J. Karcher 15 Jan '24

15 Jan '24

Hello everyone, This has certainly been an interesting Roadmap discussion (as usual)! Here are a few thoughts and questions that are not directly related to the Roadmap. Haiku-on-Genode: Cedric, your HoG screenshot looks great! Please keep us informed - I hope your TuneTracker transition goes smoothly! Framework 16: After many years of waiting for an upgradable, open-source, full-size laptop, it looks like it is finally almost here. Assuming there are no show-stopping problems, I am looking to get a Framework 16 this year. Of course, the experience would not be complete without Genode running natively on it. I was encouraged by Pirmin's report that Sculpt worked on his AMD system. Is anyone else interested in this laptop? Does anyone have any thoughts on running Sculpt on it (granted that we don't have the hardware yet)? Depot Package Discoverability: Several people have mentioned that it is difficult to discover which Sculpt depot packages are available, and from where. I am going to try to put a temporary solution in place for this, until someone develops something better. No promises on timing, but I want to bring the badly neglected "Genode Corner" [1] up to date, then add a front-end for listing / searching Depot packages. This will probably take the form of a daily process to pull in the depot indexes, add a search page, and maybe an RSS feed system. If anyone has any implementation advice or feature requests, please let me know. [1] https://www.alternateapproach.com/computing/genode/genode_corner/ Happy Sculpting! -- John J. Karcher devuser(a)alternateapproach.com

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Goa armv8
by Michael Grunditz 15 Jan '24

15 Jan '24

Hi I have in the past compiled stuff with Goa targeting armv8. But now I can't find info about how to do that. The toolchain goa wants to use is x86. I guess there is variable I need to have , but I don't know what. Any hints? Michael

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Options for interfacing C application
by Michael Grunditz 14 Jan '24

14 Jan '24

Hi I woud like to know what options I have for interfacing a C app with Genode. I guess I can make it a libc styled app. The only thing I need is to have a piece of RAM (framebuffer) shared. If possible .. can I put in .a archives into build system and link with a libc app/server? It would be very helpfull. Ideally I would like to have a seperate server for framebuffer. Good night and thanks, Michael Grunditz

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Genode at FOSDEM 2024
by Norman Feske 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

Hello everyone, with great anticipation, I'm looking forward to this year's FOSDEM conference: https://fosdem.org/2024/ February 3 and 4 in Brussels Our team will participate with two presentations, both scheduled for Saturday. Saturday 15:30 at the FOSS-on-mobile devroom (H.1309) "Genode on the PinePhone on track to real-world usability" [1] presented by Norman Feske Saturday 18:40 at the microkernel devroom (UD2.208) "Streamlining application development for Genode with Goa" [2] presented by Johannes Schlatow [1] https://fosdem.org/2024/schedule/event/fosdem-2024-3017-genode-on-the-pinep… [2] https://fosdem.org/2024/schedule/event/fosdem-2024-3089-streamlining-applic… If you are going to attend, I'd greatly appreciate meeting you there! Cheers Norman -- Dr.-Ing. Norman Feske Genode Labs https://www.genode-labs.com · https://genode.org Genode Labs GmbH · Amtsgericht Dresden · HRB 28424 · Sitz Dresden Geschäftsführer: Dr.-Ing. Norman Feske, Christian Helmuth

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Genode, RISC OS and the lot .. demo in Bristol
by Michael Grunditz 09 Jan '24

09 Jan '24

Hi everyone, I am planing to show my efforts with Genode and RISC OS on the RISC OS South West show in Bristol 24/2. I plan to stay there from thursday evening to monday morning and if someone would like to join me it would be terrific! Plenty of time during friday to talk about new ports usb , and what not! But there is a big IF around this. I have a psychosis diagnose that prevents me from normal work for money. This means that I can't travel to Bristol without substantial help. For the first time I am running a (humiliating) GoFundMe campaign. It is aimed to RISC OS users. It is kind of embarrassing to post this on this list , but I don't have much of a choice :-( (the link would be here,, send me a email for the link) Any surplus will finance new dev boards. Sorrry and thanks, Michael Grunditz

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