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booting android in normal world: imx53 sabre
by unknown＠example.com 10 Nov '16

10 Nov '16

Hi, I am using an IMX53 Sabre tablet, and can run the Genode demo. I need to reduce the TCB as much as possible, so ran the bare-bone kernel examples at https://github.com/finallyjustice/imx53qsb-code. for these, $make gave a kernel.imx which I wrote with dd to SD card. On power up, the board booted and ran the secure world code, and toggled with normal world, based on the program logic. There was no separate u-boot for these. I now need to boot android in NW, from the bare-bone kernel.imx in SW. I have the android images, the linux kernel uImage and u-boot.bin. Also, there is an android image in the e-mmc of the tablet, which the genode demo used. Can someone explain to me what I need to do - to boot android in NW from the bare-bone kernel in SW? (a) According to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31589143/boot-linux-in-normal-world, https://community.nxp.com/thread/308152, https://community.nxp.com/thread/300696, I need to set some registers. I can see at https://github.com/finallyjustice/liboot-tz/blob/master/u-boot/arch/arm/lib…, how to do that. (b) Should I then write the kernel.imx of the compiled bare-bone program to SD card, followed by the android images, using dd with seek? The i.MX Android R10.4 User Guide partitioned the SD card into 5 partitions for data/boot/system/recovery etc. To boot android in NW, will the SD card need similar formatting and copying of files, and kernel.imx before that? Is there a way to not put the android image in the SD card, and instead load it from e-mmc? (c) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29898139/load-two-kernel-images-using-u-… uses tftp to copy the image at the specified RAM locations, but how can I load the android image from the SD card/ emmc to a particular RAM location? I used ext2load mmc 0:1 0x70800000 image.bin for the genode demo. So here, will I need u-boot to load the kernel.imx and the android image to two separate addresses, start the kernel.imx with u-boot go, and then the "ldr pc, =android address" asm command followed by world switch will boot android? Thanks! Riju

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Clang compatibilities
by Keiko Nakata 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Hallo! Is the Genode framework source code compatible with Clang? Best regards, Keiko

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Several sessions of the same type between server and client
by Igor 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Hi list! I need to create several block sessions between ahci_drv (or part_blk) and my client. How it could be done? As far as I can understand, both aforementioned services can't work on a such manner. Did I miss something? Thanks in advance.

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[tz_vmm demo]- execution time
by John David 03 Nov '16

03 Nov '16

Hello, I want to measure execution time of a function in the secure world of tz_vmm demo. I was wondering if I could use elapsed_ms( ) method in timer_session to measure t1 and t2 so that I can take the difference (t2 -t1). Is there any other way? Best regards, John

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Supported ARM devices
by Yevgeny Lavrov 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

Hello. My current task is to bring Genode, preferably with seL4 on ARM. Can you please provide me a list of supported ARM devices, or recommend an ARM device that would be the best suited for this task. Thank you.

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Unnecessary default-constructibility requirements for RPC types?
by Edgard Schmidt 26 Oct '16

26 Oct '16

Hi, as described in "Genode Foundations", all types which are used as argument or return types in RPC functions must have a default constructor. I do not think that such a limitation is really necessary. So I tried to write a proof of concept [1]. These modifications should allow RPC functions to pass most of the non-default-constructible objects which satisfy the rest of the requirements for RPC argument and return types. I extended the "hello_tutorial" with a little test code to show that it works [2]. Software patterns like RAII [3] are a possible reason for removing that limitation. Quite often classes cannot provide a useful default-constructor which does more than merely setting the object state to "invalid". Because often there are no useful default values. So if a class provides a default-constructor which just sets the object to "invalid", the code complexity increases since care has to be taken that the object is fed with data up to a specific point of time. Unfortunately, my implementation does not remove default-constructor calls completely: 1. Capabilities still need default-constructors. Msgbuf stores them directly in an array and I did not find the time to check changes of this storage behavior for possible side effects. 2. Output-only _arguments_ have to be default-constructible too. Please note, that non-default-constructible _return_ types are allowed. So this affects only RPC arguments which are explicitly declared as Output-only, for example by adding custom specializations of Rpc_direction. The reason for this limitation is that my Pod_tuple version still stores the RPC arguments directly. While input arguments are copy-constructed, it is hard to copy from an object that does not yet exist. For the second point, I see no simple solutions: we could create a simple byte buffer instead of a default-constructed output-only argument. Since "normal" RPC arguments have to be trivially copyable [4], a RPC function could easily write to this buffer, which would be accessible by the correctly type-casted reference or pointer. A minimalist version of boost::optional [5] or the like as member of Server_args could make sense. However, it would require more template specializations and case differentiations because the special RPC types Capability and Native_capability are not trivially copyable. I successfully tested the code with the repositories "hello_tutorial" and "demo" on base-linux. But if you decide to use my code contribution, please note that it is rather a proof of concept. There is room for improvements: * I tried to minimize the code modifications. So some refactoring may be useful: I expanded Meta::Empty by constructors and a typedef, I inserted possibly confusing forward declarations, and Meta::Pod_tuples and Meta::Pod_args could be renamed because they do not only accept POD types [6]. * I completely ignored the trace-related code. I do not know if there is a need of modifications. Thanks to Johannes Schlatow who gave me the idea of grappling with this topic. [1] https://github.com/3dik/genode/tree/nodef [2] https://github.com/3dik/genode/commit/c35a8d4a3166da74c46423f5e0b4a35933174… [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Acquisition_Is_Initialization [4] http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/concept/TriviallyCopyable [5] http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_62_0/libs/optional/doc/html/boost_optional/… [6] http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/concept/PODType

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Checkpoint/restore of capabilities
by Denis Huber 24 Oct '16

24 Oct '16

Dear Genode community, as some of you already know, I want to create a checkpoint/restore mechanism for components on Genode 16.05 and Fiasco.OC. I want to create a component which monitors the PD and CPU sessions of its children (= targets for checkpoint/restore) to have access to their memory and thread states. For a complete checkpoint and restore of a child I also need to store the capabilities used by a child. How can I acquire and also restore all these capabilities? After a restore of a component the capability space shall be the "same" as before the checkpoint: 1) The capabilities after the restore shall point to corresponding object identities. 2) Also the capabilities after the restore shall be on the same slot (have the same address) in the capability space as before the checkpoint. The capability space resides in the kernel and Genode does not offer an API to manipulate it. Is there a way to accomplish my goal with Genode's API anyway? Kind regards, Denis

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Linking genode processes at different address space
by Parfait Tokponnon 24 Oct '16

24 Oct '16

Dear Genode community, I would like to know if there is a way to link Genode process (or components) at different address spaces especially when building Heeselicht scenario. When playing with the kernel (Nova), I encounter some weird values from a userland process, but which component exactly it is, i don't really know since almost all of them are linked to the same virtual adress. According to me, one way to deal with it would be to name each PD (protection domain) in the kernel according to the Genode component they belong to, but I think this would be a bit tedious. So what I am projecting to do is to guess the component name from the adress space they are executing in (if they have different address space, right?). Any other idea is welcome. Thanks -- Parfait T.

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Number of components per init
by Roman Iten 18 Oct '16

18 Oct '16

Hi, I wrote a simple run script 'manytimer', based on 'timer': https://github.com/rite/genode/tree/manytimer When the number of components exceeds 19, I get a "Quota exceeded!" warning. It seems that it doesn't matter if I use timer or other components. It also doesn't matter how much RAM quota I configure per timer. - Is this behaviour intended? - Whose quota exceeds (init, core, ...)? - Can I resolve the warning by increasing its quota? - In a scenario with 19 or more components (within one init), is it still possible to "assign all remaining resources to the last child by simply specifying an overly large quantum" as described in "Genode 16.05 Foundations" (see Chapter 6.2.2 "Resource quota saturation"). Or would there be no more slack memory available for init and core respectively? Thanks, Roman

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Microkernels / Component-based OSes devroom - Call for Participation
by Josef Söntgen 17 Oct '16

17 Oct '16

FOSDEM 2017 - Microkernels / Component-based OSes devroom CALL FOR PARTICIPATION The developers of several free and open-source microkernel-based operating systems will meet at FOSDEM 2017 [1] in Brussels, Belgium and will share a developer room on Saturday of February 04, 2017 [2]. The devroom is currently looking for content in the form of talks and activities related to the area of microkernel-based operating systems. Possible topics include, but are not limited to: * Introduction of a specific OS or framework * Design of subsystems and the general architecture of an OS * Enabling support for hardware (architectures, device drivers) * Used languages and tools * Maintainance and testing * Security and robustness * Trends and challenges * Use cases, experiences, lessons learned and demos Please use the Pentabarf [3] system to submit your proposals and file it under the track “Microkernels and Component-based OS”. You do not need to create a new account if you already have one. When in doubt, please use the devroom mailing list [4]. If you do not want to give a talk yourself, you may still send suggestions for what else you would like to see, or do in the devroom. Please send your suggestions to the mailing list. The deadline for your proposal is on December the 4th. Make sure to include the following in your proposal: * Title of your talk (will be printed in the FOSDEM booklet) * Your full name (will be printed in the FOSDEM booklet) * A short abstract (one or two paragraphs) * Duration of your talk (please, at least 25 and no longer than 45 min) The official devroom schedule (along with the accepted talks) will be announced on December the 11th on the devroom's mailing list and the speakers will be notified via e-mail. The schedule will also be published on the FOSDEM website. About FOSDEM FOSDEM is a two-day event organised by volunteers to promote the widespread use of free and open source software. Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is widely recognised as the best such conference in Europe. FOSDEM covers a wide spectrum of free and open source software projects, and offers a platform for people to collaborate. To this end, FOSDEM has set up developer rooms (devrooms) with network/internet connectivity and projectors where teams can meet and showcase their projects. Devrooms are a place for teams to discuss, hack and publicly present latest directions, lightning talks, news and discussions. Besides developer rooms, FOSDEM also offers main tracks, lightning talks, certification exams and project stands. Every year, FOSDEM hosts more than 5000 developers at the ULB Solbosch campus. Participation and attendance is totally free, though the organisers gratefully accept donations and sponsorship. No registration necessary. About the devroom Since the first Microkernel devroom in 2012 this devroom has been part of each following FOSDEM. By now it has become a somewhat institutionalized tradition for the micro kernel community to meet there; to this date over a dozen projects have participated in one way or another. Each of the projects face similar challenges but come up with partially differend solutions. Therefore, the goal of the Microkernel devroom is to bring the various projects together, let them exchange ideas, cross-pollinate and socialize. Social events It also has become a habit that the microkernel projects dine together somewhere in downtown Brussels after the devroom closes. The year 2017 will not be any different, so there is going to be a microkernel family dinner on Saturday night. The exact location and time will be specified later. Consult the FOSDEM web and other projects for additional social events such as the famous FOSDEM-organized Friday Beer Event and the FOSDEM-arranged free sightseeing tours for spouses. Important dates recap * 04.12.2016: Deadline for submissions * 11.12.2016: Schedule published and speakers notified of acceptance * 04.02.2017: The devroom takes places Links [1] http://fosdem.org/ [2] https://fosdem.org/2017/practical/transportation/ [3] https://fosdem.org/submit [4] https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/microkernel-devroom See you all at FOSDEM!

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