Thanks Norman and Stefan for your help. For the immediate need I will use alloc_irq together with the ICU cap limited to my special core process. If I need to get raw caps out again, I think I will look into using core's cap session or partitioning out the cap id space.
Daniel
On 02/20/2013 04:36 AM, Stefan Kalkowski wrote:
On 02/20/2013 11:53 AM, Norman Feske wrote:
Hi Daniel,
OK, I think this clears things up for me - the hazards of Genode hacking! ;)
I am not quite sure what you mean by "hazard". The mechanism Stefan described is actually a safety net that relieves the users of the framework from the burden of managing the lifetime of capabilities manually. I'd to say that doing the lifetime management of capabilities manually would be hazardous. In contrast, the Genode API provides a coherent and safe way that avoids leaking capabilities (and the associated kernel resources).
The problem you are facing right now is that you are deliberately breaking through the abstraction of the API and thereby (unknowingly) violate an invariant that is normally guaranteed by the Genode API implementation. In particular, you create capabilities out of thin air, which is not possible via the legitimate use of the API. Because this invariant is not satisfied anymore, another part of the API (RPC marshalling of capabilities) that relies on it does not work as expected.
So I support Stefan with his suggestion of his first solution (letting core create capabilities and export them via a core service) as this solution will not work against the design of Genode.
That said, there might be third solution, which is the creation of a valid ID manually without involving core's CAP service. This is done for constructing the parent capability at the process startup:
https://github.com/genodelabs/genode/blob/master/base-foc/src/platform/_main...
Following this procedure, a valid Genode capability gets created, which can then principally be delegated via RPC. By using 'cap_map()->insert()', the code satisfies the invariant needed by the RPC mechanism to marshal the capability.
This way, you could wrap a Fiasco.OC capability selector (e.g., a scheduler cap selector) into a Genode capability in order to delegate it to another process. I guess, this is what you'd like to do?
@Stefan: Would that be a feasible approach?
Well, not really. The parent capability is a corner case. It's the only capability that is inserted manually without usage of the IPC framework, because we need it to do the first IPC at all. To enable usage of the parent capability, when starting a new child, its parent stores the capability ID at a specific place (&_parent_cap), when setting up its address space. For all capabilities "created out of thin air" the problem remains to get a valid capability ID.
A viable third way, without using core's CAP service, would be to shrink the ID range used by core, and use the IDs, which become free. Of course, the problem remains to divide up the IDs between potentially different tasks.h
@Daniel: The burden of having global capability IDs, a capability registry, retrieval etc. wouldn't exist, if the kernel API would allow to identify capability duplicates when receiving one. Currently, the only way to identify, whether a received capability is already existent in the protection domain, is either to compare it against all capabilities one possesses, or by using an additional identifier. The first solution obviously is not feasible, because every comparison between two capabilities means one kernel syscall. That means, if you own 100 capabilities you've to do 100 syscalls when receiving a new capability. Therefore, we've chosen the second approach of using a globally unique ID that is sent in addition to the capability. A capability-based kernel, where this additional ID isn't needed anymore, is for example NOVA.
Best regards Stefan
Cheers Norman