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Fifo<>::Element is missing a virtual destructor
by Stefan Thöni 22 May '20

22 May '20

Hi Genodians I would like to create a hierarchy of classes on top of Fifo<>::Element so these object can be stored in fifos: class A : public Fifo<A>::Element { virtual method() = 0; }; class B : public A { method() override { ... } }; This won't compile because Fifo<>::Element is missing a virtual destructor. Is there any reason for this? What do you think about adding the virtual destructor to Fifo<>::Element? Kind regards Stefan -- Freundliche Grüsse Stefan Thöni Chairman of the Board Senior Security Architect +41 79 610 64 95 gapfruit AG Baarerstrasse 135 6300 Zug https://gapfruit.com

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Resource trading between client and server
by Roman Iten 14 May '20

14 May '20

Dear Genodians, Imagine a certain server component. The memory usage of server depends on the number of clients and their behavior. Therefore, in order to create a session to server, a client component has to pay for the server-side allocations. So far so easy. Now imagine that server is a child of server_init and client is a child of client_init. Both init's are siblings. I would expect that still client - and only client - has to pay for the server-side allocations. But the session creation fails when client_init and/or server_init assigned all of it's resources to it's children (RAM/CAP quota saturation). I'm able to circumvent the session creation issue (reliably) by configuring (both) init's with resource preservation that take the server-side allocations into account. From my understanding this implies that actually the parent components have to pay at least temporary during session creation. Is my interpretation correct? Cheers, Roman

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A simple window manager
by Paul Dufresne 13 May '20

13 May '20

I was thinking about an old idea, for a very simple screen manager... and it is becoming even a bit more complete. So I would like to share it with you... because I think it would be a nice fit for Genode. So at first I was thinking a very simple model... -Almost all the screen for one application -a bar at the bottom with: -- one left button at the left -- one right button at the right -- a title in the middle (of the application) Left, and right would navigate through the open applications Then the idea that screens are large enough for two windows wide came to my mind. Second model (at first): -Almost all the screen for one application -a bar at the bottom with: -- one left button at the left -- one right button at the right -- a title in the middle -- a 1 button -- a 2 button -- a pin button So like before, but the 1 button is activated at the beginning. If you click the 2 button, the screen divide in 2 windows So now you got: -left button in bottom left -right button in bottom right -the left window for application 1 -- bottom-right title info for application 1 -- bottom-left1 the 1 2 buttons (2 is activated) -- bottom-left2 the pin button -the right window for application 2 -- bottom-left title info for application 2 -- bottom-right1 the 1 and 2 buttons (2 is activated) -- bottom-right2 the pin button So the idea, is that under each application you got: -the pin button, that when activated, the application don't change when doing right and left button So if one of the side is pinned, right and left buttons affect only the other side. If none is pinned, pressing left (right goes to left, and right is filled with next open application). If none is pinned, pressing right (left goes to right, and left is filled with previous open application). (my guess is that if the right and the left applications are pinned, the left and right buttons are deactivated) - the 1 button, that return to the single application screen, with the current application And then, I realized we need the some more info... So I would add a upper-bar with: -a menu button for the applications to launch -clock -Quit button -mixer button -network button - etc. Does it seems a good idea?

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compiling problem on run/demo
by Paul Dufresne 11 May '20

11 May '20

Hi! I am coming back to Genode after a few year of absence. I am on Fedora 32, x64 architecture. So I installed: genode-toolchain-19.05-x86_64.tar.xz , downloaded genode-20.02 (tought I first it was the toolchain...). Then began to read: https://genode.org/documentation/genode-foundations/19.05/getting_started/U… and now when I do: [paul@localhost x86_64]$ make run/demo KERNEL=linux BOARD=linux including /home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/run/power_on/linux including /home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/run/log/linux including /home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/run/boot_dir/linux including /home/paul/genode-20.02/repos/os/run/demo.run building targets: app/status_bar test/nitpicker spawn make app/status_bar test/nitpicker make[1] : on entre dans le répertoire « /home/paul/genode-20.02/build/x86_64 » checking library dependencies... Library ldso-startup Library ld Library base Program test/nitpicker/testnit Program app/status_bar/status_bar make[1] : on quitte le répertoire « /home/paul/genode-20.02/build/x86_64 » genode build completed Error: missing depot archives: genodelabs/bin/x86_64/base-linux/2020-02-27 genodelabs/bin/x86_64/demo/2020-02-27 genodelabs/bin/x86_64/fb_sdl/2020-02-27 genodelabs/bin/x86_64/global_keys_handler/2020-02-27 genodelabs/bin/x86_64/init/2020-02-27 genodelabs/bin/x86_64/input_filter/2020-02-27 genodelabs/bin/x86_64/nit_focus/2020-02-27 genodelabs/bin/x86_64/nitpicker/2020-02-27 genodelabs/bin/x86_64/report_rom/2020-02-27 genodelabs/bin/x86_64/rom_filter/2020-02-27 You may create the following archives locally: /home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/depot/create genodelabs/bin/x86_64/base-linux genodelabs/bin/x86_64/demo genodelabs/bin/x86_64/fb_sdl genodelabs/bin/x86_64/global_keys_handler genodelabs/bin/x86_64/init genodelabs/bin/x86_64/input_filter genodelabs/bin/x86_64/nit_focus genodelabs/bin/x86_64/nitpicker genodelabs/bin/x86_64/report_rom genodelabs/bin/x86_64/rom_filter CROSS_DEV_PREFIX=/usr/local/genode/tool/19.05/bin/genode-x86- make: *** [Makefile:324: run/demo] Error 1 But when I do the given I command I get: Program lib/initramfs/lx_init BUILD initramfs /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status make[6]: *** [/home/paul/genode-20.02/depot/genodelabs/src/base-linux/2020-02-27/src/lib/initramfs/target.mk:12: initramfs] Error 1 make[5]: *** [var/libdeps:109: lx_init.prg] Error 2 make[4]: *** [Makefile:287: gen_deps_and_build_targets] Error 2 make[3]: *** [/home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/depot/mk/build_bin_archive:200: /home/paul/genode-20.02/depot/genodelabs/bin/x86_64/base-linux/2020-02-27.build/bin] Error 1 make[2]: *** [/home/paul/genode-20.02/depot/var/build.mk:48: genodelabs/bin/x86_64/base-linux/2020-02-27] Error 2 make[1]: *** [/home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/depot/build:134: execute_generated_build_mk_file] Error 2 make: *** [/home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/depot/create:59: build] Error 2 [paul@localhost x86_64]$ make run/demo KERNEL=linux BOARD=linux including /home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/run/power_on/linux including /home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/run/log/linux including /home/paul/genode-20.02/tool/run/boot_dir/linux including /home/paul/genode-20.02/repos/os/run/demo.run building targets: app/status_bar test/nitpicker spawn make app/status_bar test/nitpicker make[1] : on entre dans le répertoire « /home/paul/genode-20.02/build/x86_64 » checking library dependencies... Library ldso-startup Library ld Library base Program test/nitpicker/testnit Program app/status_bar/status_bar make[1] : on quitte le répertoire « /home/paul/genode-20.02/build/x86_64 » genode build completed So, rather than just give up, I am writing this message.

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Clipboard size
by Colin Parker 08 May '20

08 May '20

Hello, I am having a lot of fun with Sculpt, but I do wonder something about copy/paste. Whenever I copy a large portion of text, a subsequent paste only gives the first part. This is most noticeable within a VM, but I wonder, since the VM can move the clipboard to/from Sculpt, if a Sculpt clipboard size limit is coming into play? If so, can the clipboard be made bigger? Failing that, can I disable clipboard integration with the VM? Apologies if this was settled a long time ago. Regards, Colin

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Re: Re: Benchmark Armv8 VMM (Stefan Kalkowski)
by Chris Hofer 07 May '20

07 May '20

Hi Stefan, Hi Chris, On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 01:23:59PM +0200, Chris Hofer wrote: > Hi, > > to measure the performance overhead of the Armv8 Genode VMM, I ran some > benchmarks (cyclictest and lmbench). I compared it against a native Linux > installation on the Imx8-evk board (same kernel version). For some > measurements (for example fork + executing /bin/sh from lmbench), I observe > counter-intuitive results in the sense that the virtualized version runs > *faster* than the native one (Vm 1,1ms vs. native 2,5ms). > > My understanding is, that the virtual timer offset (cntvoff_el2) is not used > and thus, the guest sees wall clock time. I would expect that the > virtualization incurs an overhead and this overhead manifests itself in > longer (wall clock) time measurements. > >> Correct, but you assume that native Linux and virtualized version run >> with the same frequencies (cpu + timer) - don't you? >> >> Actually, I think the timer frequency should be constant in both >> scenarios, whereby at least the cpu will be controlled dynamically in >> the native Linux case. >> >> When comparing such complex scenarios to avoid mistakes I would >> strongly encourage you to not measure time on-target. It often leads >> to wrong assumptions. It is better to measure long-term scenarios from >> another host. If you need to measure micro-benchmarks, you might loop >> the operation quite often and measure the whole time-span outside, and >> divide the result. >> >> Alternatively, if you insist to measure on-target, you can instrument >> Linux to use a constant CPU frequency (google for "linux cpu >> governor"). Moreover, you might check whether the timer frequency is >> the same in both settings (CNTFRQ_EL0) - well it should be. Thank you for this advice; it makes perfect sense to capture the time off-target. I finally found a big mistake in my setup to measure the duration of forking a process and calling /bin/sh. The native installation uses a dynamically linked shell and the guest has a statically linked binary. After using statically linked binaries on both systems I get reasonable results. Nevertheless, I will take advice and verify the measurements off-target. Best, Chris

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Benchmark Armv8 VMM
by Chris Hofer 07 May '20

07 May '20

Hi, to measure the performance overhead of the Armv8 Genode VMM, I ran some benchmarks (cyclictest and lmbench). I compared it against a native Linux installation on the Imx8-evk board (same kernel version). For some measurements (for example fork + executing /bin/sh from lmbench), I observe counter-intuitive results in the sense that the virtualized version runs *faster* than the native one (Vm 1,1ms vs. native 2,5ms). My understanding is, that the virtual timer offset (cntvoff_el2) is not used and thus, the guest sees wall clock time. I would expect that the virtualization incurs an overhead and this overhead manifests itself in longer (wall clock) time measurements. Do you have any explanation for this or give me a hint on how to confirm correctness of measurements? Best, Chris

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Gui issue.
by Shlomo Pongratz 23 Apr '20

23 Apr '20

Hi, While installing vbox5-nova-scupt there is a need to configure ROM(usb_device). The option list is truncated in the middle of "dynamic_depot_rom" (in the middle of the line), and there is no way to see if there are other options below. I guess the best thing is to change the window size however changing the fb_drv hight in the config didn't do the trick. Best regard. S.P.

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Running on QEMU.
by Shlomo Pongratz 22 Apr '20

22 Apr '20

Hi, I'm running the scultp-20.02 on QEMU and I'm trying tor run vbox5-nova-sculpt. And I get these errors: page fault, pd='init -> runtime -> vbox5-nova-sculpt -> vbox' thread='EMT-1' cpu=0 ip=0xaeb70 address=0x30 stack pointer=0xa09fec48 qualifiers=0x4 irUwp reason=1 no RM attachment (READ pf_addr=0x30 pf_ip=0xaeb70 from pager_object: pd='init -> runtime -> vbox5-nova-sculpt -> vbox' thread='VMPwrUp') page fault, pd='init -> runtime -> vbox5-nova-sculpt -> vbox' thread='VMPwrUp' cpu=0 ip=0xaeb70 address=0x30 stack pointer=0xa06fe848 qualifiers=0x4 irUwp reason=1 no RM attachment (READ pf_addr=0x30 pf_ip=0xaeb70 from pager_object: pd='init -> runtime -> vbox5-nova-sculpt -> vbox' thread='EMT-0') page fault, pd='init -> runtime -> vbox5-nova-sculpt -> vbox' thread='EMT-0' cpu=0 ip=0xaeb70 address=0x30 stack pointer=0xa08fead8 qualifiers=0x4 irUwp reason=1 Does this implies that this can't be done on QEMU but only on real HW. Best regards, S.P.

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Warning messages
by Shlomo Pongratz 21 Apr '20

21 Apr '20

Hi, I'm running the downloaded sculpt-20.02.img according to https://genode.org/download/sculpt qemu-system-x86_64 -display sdl -cpu core2duo -machine q35 \ -m 1024 -drive format=raw,file=sculpt-20.02.img (and also a built scultp according to the document sculpt-20-02.pdf) and I always see the following messages. [init -> config_fs] tar archive 'launcher.tar' local at 0x184000, size is 12288 [init -> config_fs_rom] /fonts ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /fonts ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /nic_router ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /nic_router ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /wifi ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /wifi ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/launcher_query/listing ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/launcher_query/listing ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /managed/deploy ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /managed/deploy ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /installation ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /installation ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/editor/saved ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/editor/saved ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /runtime ROM file is missing [init -> config_fs_rom] /runtime ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/depot_query/scan ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/depot_query/scan ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/depot_query/index ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/depot_query/index ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/ahci-0.part_block/partitions ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/ahci-0.part_block/partitions ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/ahci-0.part_block/partitions ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/ahci-0.part_block/partitions ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/ahci-0.part_block/partitions ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/ahci-0.part_block/partitions ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/ahci-0.part_block/partitions ROM file is missing [init -> report_fs_rom] /runtime/ahci-0.part_block/partitions ROM file is missing Is this normal? If not, what should I do? Best regards, S.P.

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