Roadmap 2017

Peter Lindener lindener.peter at ...9...
Thu Jan 12 21:07:05 CET 2017


Dear
     Genodians-

     I spent some time catching up on the state of CHERI project
<http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/security/ctsrd/cheri/>..
for the detailed read see:  Capability Hardware Enhanced RISC Instructions:
CHERI Instruction-Set Architecture (Version 5)
<http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/techreports/UCAM-CL-TR-891.pdf>...

    I sense, that the longer term of CHERI's capability oriented hardware
development will likely unfold in conjunction with the RiscV and / or
LowRisc project's developments..

    as the Genode team is already embracing future of running on the RiscV
open ISA...   and Genode is also a capability based OS...   it would be
great if Genode started tracking / contributing to the Capability bit
field's under development within the CHERI project...

   I'm not sure how similar the current Genode and CHERI capability models
are,
... what kind of ajustments each might want to make in order to accomidate
the needs / inovations of the other
   I would certainly enjoy reading any reflections in this regard..

    -Peter



On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Dr. Florian Manfred Gr├Ątz <
florian.graetz at ...473...> wrote:

> Dear community,
>
> I am very excited about the entire Genode project and looking forward to
> the upcoming releases. Please keep up the quaterly release cycle. Let me
> share my thoughts on several issues, which have already been communicated:
>
>    - From a newbee's point of view I would say, that you guys are heading
>    into the right direction: I understand the core component to be a kernel
>    abstraction layer. Therfore ABI stability of the core would be awsome - no
>    matter what the kernel is, you could use the same binaries (as long as you
>    are running on the same processor, of course) for drivers and applications.
>    That would be a prerequiste for a working packaging system.
>    - The build process indeed needs a little make-over. I have noticed
>    side effects with the ports, which are hard to describe in detail, as I
>    have not yet fully understood them. Generally speaking the ports (including
>    the drivers) should be built separately from the kernel/core/init. Once
>    again - a stable ABI would help. No matter what the kernel is, you would
>    use the same binaries for the drivers/applications.
>    - A dynamic init component would greatly help, too: reconfigure your
>    system, don't rebuild it. This would also enhance the turmvilla scenario.
>
> Let me also add an idea of mine: for your turmvilla scenaria it might help
> to provide .iso images with a running system (e.g. using grub-mkrescue) and
> make them accessible for download. You would then use dd to copy the image
> on a USB pendrive or an SD card and reboot your computer from this external
> storage device without installing it on your internal hard drive. You could
> also use this mechanism to install the system on your internal hard drive,
> if you have the capability to dynamicly resize your partitions, but you
> wouldn't have to. The way I see it, a dynamic init component would be a
> prerequisite.
>
> To say it with the words of Karl Valentin: everything has been said - just
> not by everyone.
>
> All the best, Florian.
>
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