Genode as a mobile operating system

[Nobody III]

Would an ABI-compatible Android DDE be a good option?
On Jul 29, 2015 4:43 AM, "Thotheolh Tay" <twzgerald at ...9...> wrote:

> The situation of Open Source and Close Source code could be handled if
> Genode continue to work on the Open Source bits and Qualcomm or close
> source vendors work on the Close Source bits.
>
> The close source vendors can work with Genode to have an Open Source
> plugin api that is generic enough (note that Genode already has API) and
> request generic support for the API which their close source drivers can
> access. This way Genode and its API will always be Open Source which is
> permissible to other vendors without needing to NDA the Genode people.
>
> For the vendors interested, please read the Genode API and the Genode PDF
> guide to create your Close/Open Source bridge between Genode and your
> hardware and firmware layers.
> On 29 Jul 2015 11:24, "Madhu (Macaque Labs)" <madhu at ...275...> wrote:
>
>> I have recently become an advisor to a  mobile handset OEM. They are
>> willing to support
>> genode efforts and since they are about a USD 1B in revenue, do have some
>> clout with
>> the OEMs (Mediatek and Qualcomm).
>>
>> Qualcomm is also willing to support us directly but the problem is that
>> while they are willing to
>> release all data to support genode, it is under NDA. So cannot open
>> source it.
>> I guess the next best option is to have a closed binary module. Kind of
>> what
>> Nvidia did with its graphics  drivers. Not a great option but better than
>> nothing.
>> I have been debating this
>> with Qualcomm for a year now ! The good news is that OEM is willing to
>> sell
>> Genode based phones (with Android virtualized on top).
>>
>> To overcome this issue, we at IIT-Madras have just finished development
>> of a Freescale i.MX6
>> based tablet. This is currently under testing (first 5 protos have come).
>> I hope to
>> start giving out samples (to be procured directly from vendor, we do not
>> charge any royalties
>> or file any patents)
>> in about 3-4 months. Cost will be around 350-400 USD (10 in IP screen,
>> dual core, weighs about 480-520 g)
>> This is a fully open system system. Next year we will replace the Cortex
>> A9 with the
>> i.MX8 (Cortex A-53). Will not be state of art but definitely a more than
>> adequate tablet.
>> Cortex A9 does not support full HW virtualization.
>> The PCB comes with tamper detect signals brought out but case
>> unfortunately has no
>> reed switches yet, will have to do some mechanical work later. Secure,
>> high assurance boot is
>> fully enabled.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Sebastian Sumpf <
>> Sebastian.Sumpf at ...1...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> On 07/27/2015 05:42 PM, Nobody III wrote:
>>> > One possible target for Genode, aside from PCs and development boards,
>>> > would be smartphones. The security measures tend to be "don't install
>>> > this app if you don't want to give it these permissions." With Genode,
>>> > this problem is easy to fix. Also, security exploits would be a lot
>>> > harder. It seems to make sense to make a mobile operating system with
>>> > Genode. We could use Cyanogenmod and/or Android code for app and
>>> > hardware support. I have an old working android phone that I would be
>>> > happy to use to test this, and will probably have another available
>>> > within a few weeks. Note that there are no official Cyanogenmod ports
>>> > for either device, but there might be an unofficial port for one of
>>> them.
>>>
>>> We already did this exemplary for Exynos 5250, which is the Samsung
>>> Galaxy S4 platform. Unfortunately, these platforms or SoCs are not very
>>> well documented, if at all (e.g., Snapdragon). With the only well
>>> documented SoC (Texas Instrument's OMAP) gone, smartphone platforms have
>>> become really really hard to deploy without having manufacturer support.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Regards,
>> Madhu
>>
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