copyrights, patents, IP and integrity.

spaesani at ...165... spaesani at ...165...
Mon Jan 28 12:15:15 CET 2013

Thanks for straightening that out.

I'm not sure what a troll is so I'm ill placed to say I'm not one :).

I also can't say much about the FUD since I didn't get a copy of my email with your reply.
I'll take your word for it :).

With regards to Genode's approach to patents I have to say that though not patenting any of the research and possibly subsequent work can be seen as commendable it does not guarantee the non patentability of the work through publication (I'd been misled to believe this in the past concerning my work). The actual patentable processes have to be identified and published to make the patent 'public'. I've made the correction for my own work by integrating patentable process identification in the development work flow (and possibly the ide, but that's an auii thing..). I'm guessing that corporations do this allready. Not to be pretentious, though it's a little too late for that at this point, I'd suggest considering doing likewise with your own work. Though I'm not sure what a patent troll is it might address the issue. At least it provides miuch better assurance for a public patent.

Hope that clarifies my end. Hope also it clarifies why I am a bit bighty towards the fsf's and consequently the GPL approach since it has left those who have not identified their software's patentable processes open others to privately patent. [!warning: FUD follows] People who usually have the funding and vested interest to do so.


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norman Feske
> Sent: 01/25/13 11:28 AM
> To: Genode OS Framework Mailing List
> Subject: Re: copyrights, patents, IP and integrity.
> Hello,
> I must admit that I was struggling whether to answer your post or not.
> It comes with a sense of entitlement that makes me uneasy. Also, I
> cannot grasp the incentive of spreading FUD about a project and the
> associated company out of the blue. So it is tempting to dismiss your
> posting as an attempt to troll.
> However, behind the insulting surface, you expressed a valid concern.
> Namely that Genode Labs may just pay lip service to Open Source and Free
> Software while patenting the technology behind the back of the
> community. So I feel that keeping your posting dangling without any
> response might be a mistake.
> Hereby, I want to set the record straight: Genode Labs has not filed a
> single patent. To the best of my knowledge, Genode OS technology is not
> encumbered by any patents. But who knows that for sure, given the
> thousands of patents filed each year, many of them covering trivial and
> mundane things? I expressed my stance on the subject before. Allow me to
> quote myself (feels a bit silly, but anyway):
>   "... there are things that are concerning or even frightening us.
>    I'm speaking of software patents. Being an Open-Source project
>    developing a new technology, we are aware that someone or some
>    company may patent our ideas and there is not much we can do against
>    this. I fear software patents as a cancerous threat to projects
>    such as ours."
> I think that this statement leaves not much room for interpretation.
> Regarding discussions about Open-Source licensing or the way the project
> is organized: Cheap talk and spreading FUD is easy. Chit chatting about
> these matters by people who have no stake in the project is usually
> cheap talk. Even if such people show no sign of activity whatsoever,
> they somehow feel entitled to be experts and vocally express their
> opinion. Please don't bother the list with cheap talk and spare us
> spreading FUD. For honest inquiries about licensing, please contact
> licensing at ...1...
> Regards
> Norman
> -- 
> Dr.-Ing. Norman Feske
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